The End Time

**1inStripes** · June 29th, 2008, 04:26 PM

Joseph is a good one. One of my favorites is Job. The things that he took from the devil but stayed faithful are amazing to me. Of course, he was rewarded for his faithfulness.

I have enjoyed the view points. I enjoyed setting back and reading it. I knew ut1 and myself were very similar so I felt that just reading may let me see more of Shooters ideas.

Maybe, if someone wants to take it upon themselves, do an individual book study, or groups of key verses that are taught differently amoungst demoninations.

**imported_ut1** · June 30th, 2008, 09:17 PM

Here's one: a lot of the Holiness teaching and preaching I have heard focused on Baptism. The ones I heard held that we must be baptized in the name of Jesus only: "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."(Acts 2:38)

Most Baptists hold that we were commanded by Jesus to do it this way: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matt 28:18-19)

So, if you're baptizing in the "name of the Son", aren't you baptizing in Jesus' name?

Here is what one must consider: who was the speaker, and who was he talking to in each situation? In Acts 2, Peter is addressing Jews from every known land (devout men of all nations). These men already believed in God. they also believed in the Holy Spirit of God. What they did not believe in was Jesus of Nazzareth as the Messiah. Peter's insistence that they be baptized in Jesus' name would show their acceptance and belief in Jesus as the Messiah.

In Matthew, the speaker is Jesus, and He is talking to His disciples (and thusly, to us). They would encounter strangers who not only didn't believe in Jesus, but also didn't believe in Jehovah God in any form. Thusly, "baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit".

How do you see this particular difference in doctrine?

**Shooter** · July 21st, 2008, 11:49 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ut1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Here is what one must consider: who was the speaker, and who was he talking to in each situation? In Acts 2, Peter is addressing Jews from every known land (devout men of all nations). These men already believed in God. they also believed in the Holy Spirit of God. What they did not believe in was Jesus of Nazzareth as the Messiah. Peter's insistence that they be baptized in Jesus' name would show their acceptance and belief in Jesus as the Messiah.

How do you see this particular difference in doctrine? </div></div>

you pretty much summed it up there. As far as the words go, I would imagine using "The Father", "The Son" OR "The Holy Ghost" alone or all during a baptism would be all the same. Although I'll admit im not well versed on the subject, I don't believe the actual act of having a preacher dip you in water is a prerequisite to get to heaven. That part, in my opinion, is just the symbolism of the actual baptism that occurs to a person when they accept Jesus as their savior. I'll agree though, that most christians will want to go through the act of being washed though. But, I don't believe it has to be a preacher, or even someone else who has to do it. I feel like if I am a true christian, I can go out into the river myself, and ask God to bless the water and wash me free of my sins.

**imported_ut1** · July 22nd, 2008, 06:44 AM

Baptism is a symbolic gesture which I believe was encouraged by Jesus, both by example (Luke 3:21) and by ordinance (Matt. 28:19). I agree that it is no prerequisite for getting to Heaven and it has no bearing on your salvation. I also feel that it is something you must be led to do by the Spirit, otherwise you're just getting wet! As for the ceremonial aspect, I think I will follow the words of Jesus himslef, who said for us to baptize in the name of the trinity of God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I don't necessarily think the other is improper, just not a point to base your faith on. I've been told that if I weren't baptized in the name of Jesus only I was lost and bound for Hell. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

**USA Ranger** · August 30th, 2008, 01:23 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm still waiting for the 700 years of peace. I am spiritual but I just don't try to shove it in everyone's face... </div></div>

So, you are a non-vocal Christian?

**sup-rbeast** · August 30th, 2008, 01:31 PM

I believe in God, but I don't believe that there is only one way through one religion to gain salvation.

**USA Ranger** · August 30th, 2008, 01:54 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe in God, but I don't believe that there is only one way through one religion to gain salvation. </div></div>

As Christians what we are actually saying is that we are followers of Christ. So with that said,Jesus is the only way of salvation because He is the only One who can pay our sin penalty (Romans 6:23).Jesus said that he was the way, the truth, and Life, he also said that no one comes unto to the father except through him. So me speaking as a Christian or a follower of Christ I would have to say that Jesus is the only way to eternal Salvation.It is my belief that Allah can not produce Salvation, that Buddah cannot produce Salvation, and on and on.

**Shooter** · August 30th, 2008, 01:57 PM

Hey Gym Monster...since this is the End Time thread...I was curious what you think about the rapture. Go back and read what ut1 and I discussed

**USA Ranger** · August 30th, 2008, 02:02 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Gym Monster...since this is the End Time thread...I was curious what you think about the rapture. Go back and read what ut1 and I discussed </div></div>

The word rapture is not mentioned in the Bible to my knowledge. Some believe in pre-rapture which means that when the tribulation begins God will call the church home. Some believe in Tri=tribulation, meaning that after 3.5 years into the 7 years God will call his church home. Some beleive in Post tribulation, meaning that after the 7 year tribulation Jesus will come back and get his church. With that being said I hope and pray that pre-tribulation will take place.

**Shooter** · August 30th, 2008, 02:06 PM

Ok well I know all that, I was asking which one you believe? I had a huge discusion on this earlier on this thread. Im a post-tribulation believer myself.